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okay now for the start of our series of

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interviews with veterans of the USS

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nimitz starting with PJ Hughes I started

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the interview by asking him his thoughts

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about Mike tur burrs claim that the

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tick-tack UFOs are in fact a u.s.

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technology um I'm like 6040 with it

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being our technology I'm open to

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whatever it turns out to be 60 being

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it's ours

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okay like I've said in other interviews

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I I know stuff that I dealt with in the

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military that programs that I was read

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into that the average person doesn't

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know so if there's stuff I know that you

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don't know I guarantee you this stuff

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that other people know inside of them

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it's just the way it works but

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interesting you said he mentioned a

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briefing the Freedom of Information Act

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a request was just returned the other

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day that stated there was a classified

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briefing that they have found which kind

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of unfortunate sauce fortunately your

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unfortunately lines up with his story a

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little yeah we should talk about that

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because that was just released and we

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had seen that report and now it seems

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have gone mainstream with the 4-year

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response of the US Navy which talks

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about a briefing and they're being

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briefing slides that they have not

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released and what at least one video

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they have not released I'm pretty sure

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the video is the video we've seen just

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the full version that shadow know what

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has stated exists and he's one who

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recorded it so we know it exists Jason

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Turner who's he's seen the full video so

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we know there's a longer video and

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that's probably what they're talking

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about

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something else but as far as what we

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know and what technology we know we had

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at the time the only thing that was

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really recording was the gun cameras on

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the a-teams there's nothing else that we

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really had the capabilities to record

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it's time mm-hmm

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so and that is the video that you

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believe we've seen yes and that's from

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the story that's from the third f-18

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that was sent out right um depends which

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way

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look at it yes and and the 10 minute

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video is is that you're understanding

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that under ward etcetera say that the

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video is approximately 10 minutes long

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okay he didn't really specify the time

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he just said it's it's much longer than

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the one that was the least and higher

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quality oh yeah

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I mean the video that's been released

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was email cut down so it's a horrible

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quality just from how many times it's

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been transmitted

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have you seen video from f-18 fighters

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before yes and does it usually look like

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that or no it looks as clear as I'm

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looking at you right now

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oh is it always black and white yes the

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flares are black and white but it would

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be far clearer and what level detail do

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you think we'd be seeing on that tic-tac

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if we were able to some video I think

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you'd probably see everything we've said

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that that exists on it the LCAP antenna

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or appendage coming out of the bottom

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you probably would have seen remind you

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who's the original person to report the

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l-shaped antenna I honestly thought it

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was favored but I'm not 100% sure at

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this point because I know Jason Turner

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said the appendages were there an

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unnamed individual on the hawk I said

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they were there so multiple people from

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multiple avenues have said those

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appendages were there now by the way the

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video from the East Coast which they

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refer to as gimbal or what's the other

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and go fast those are also poor quality

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yeah so what's going on there if you've

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ever looked at any footage whether it's

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like a bomb site footage or I mean the

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footage that generally released to the

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media it's always lower quality than

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what it actually is so sometimes that's

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just done intentionally that's my

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assumption I'm sure there's somebody

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else who deals with that stuff on a

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daily basis you may say otherwise but

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a lot of technology that deals with all

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that stuff that if we release the full

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true version of stuff people will know

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how good our stuff actually is I don't

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think they want to share that so you

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were associated with the Hawkeye right

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right and am I correct that you

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sometimes flew on the Hawkeye no I mean

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I have flown on it not routinely okay I

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am happy for one of the crew members who

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routinely flew him and I are extremely

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good friends so I know a lot of I was

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what he knows so much he shouldn't have

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shared with me so I can't share with

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anybody else some what she shared with

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both Dave Beatty and myself so there's a

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lot of stuff that happen with the

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Hawkeye that people aren't taking into

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account so to be clear about this friend

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of yours that I think in a prior

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interview I saw you refer to him as

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Roger

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so let's refer to him continue to refer

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to him as Roger you're saying there's

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some things that he's reported to you

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and Dave Beatty who who produced a

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documentary that still has not been

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disclosed correct

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the hawk-eyed crew and this is one of

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the things I've been trying to push it

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out on my Twitter because I apparently

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in popular on Twitter and I'm not sure

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why there's a lot of stuff that happened

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with the Hawkeye that has been taken to

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account whether it's in the official

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unofficial report or running the

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reporting that's happened when that

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plane came back the crew kind of stayed

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in the airplane and we called it a hot

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pumper house which we'd leave the

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engines on so they could refuel and go

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out again except they weren't supposed

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to go out again basically they just sat

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there for a while with the engines on

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when the engines shut off the crew

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hightailed it out of there

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went down to what they call skiff it's a

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centralized information facility

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basically it's a room you can't hear

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outside them and they were debriefed

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signed non-disclosure agreements and

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then now hold on a second let's just be

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clear as far as exactly where you were

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at this time did you actually see the

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thing land yes

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I caught the airplane we all said we

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always have maintained there's there to

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recover the airplanes when they came

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back I launched that airplane and I

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recovered it it was for non-military

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types like me launching it and

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recovering it means what we have to

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there's a lot of stuff in that airplane

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it has to be turned on takes a while to

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get that but the airplane up to full

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full capability so to speak so we're up

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there almost three hours before the

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plane leaves the deck to get everything

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running and checked out so you're part

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of the crew to get it prepared for

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flying and then when it landed you were

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part of the crew that was supposed to

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meet the plane yes sir - do I forget the

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term what was the term you used um

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basically recovered it by covering it

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but we go in we check to make sure

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nothing fell off nothing broke we

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usually talk to the aircrew so we have a

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head start or something did broke did

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break but I didn't get talked on that

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time and by the way when it to be clear

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when it launched it wasn't watching - go

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check out the tic-tac no we were

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launching a part of air defense exercise

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this is just general general workups so

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at what point did you first become aware

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of the tic-tac at all after the plane

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landed I took our classified hard drives

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that we use in the back that we're

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recording a bunch of stuff which we can

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get into later if you want we took them

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down and we keep them in our safe inside

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our work center and maybe ten minutes

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after I got them in our safe my

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commanding officer and two guys in there

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for its flight suits show up at my door

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and generally if our commanding officer

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wants to talk to us we go to him he

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doesn't come to us so that it was

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already abnormal if he was at our door

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let alone showing up to Air Force guys

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and he basically took those hard drives

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and I've never seen him again were you

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by yourself at the time you took them no

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there are other people with me I have

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those people spoken out to me yes to the

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public no

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most of them are still either active

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duty or in a position where they don't

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want to risk their security clearances

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so bottom line they could corroborate

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your story at some point there are

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people that could corroborate my story

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yes and at the time that they knocked on

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your door you still had not heard that

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the Hawkeye had intercepted some tic-tac

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correct but but you did but-but-but-but

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sorry didn't you say that you did notice

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something unusual when they when it land

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and he came down to a work senator Kate

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stuff was that normal but what about the

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sorry I thought you would also one of

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the interview said that the landing that

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the pilots or the people that had been

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on the plane were acting a little

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unusual when they got off the plane

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about to get there

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okay sorry um they had gone down and

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they were debriefed I'm not exactly sure

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how long they were in their debrief and

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what exactly they discussed or debriefed

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on but when Roger returned to our work

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center because Roger was enlisted like I

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was and he wasn't an officer he briefly

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started to tell us what happened until

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he was told to be quiet who told him to

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be Miya

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our division chief another person he

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really had no idea what was going on but

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heard him saying something saying I'm

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not really sure if I'm supposed to be

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talking about this so it was one of

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those well you don't think you're

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supposed to be talking about it shut up

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it's one of those kind of conversations

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nothing nothing crazy and what what what

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did Roger say in that conversation he

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started talking about the object and

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stuff that we've now all found out well

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I said that was really the end of it at

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that point I know the ship made jokes

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the airplane had a cartoon about it they

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played movies about aliens and all kinds

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of stuff

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the ship was making a joke of it so you

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and you you heard about that yeah so and

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when you say the ship was kind of making

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a joke about it you got approximately

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5,000 people on that thing right

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and I just an aircraft character and

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probably had no clue what was going on

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say that again a good 4,000 foam

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probably had no idea what was

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okay but as far as this playing an alien

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movie and jokes and hats and this kind

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of stuff I'm just trying to get a flavor

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for how extensive that was it was mostly

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among the Air Wing and the Air Wing

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officers because they were the ones who

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knew they were the ones who you know the

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air we did the airplane they did the

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cartoon they did all that so it's mainly

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the office poking fun at the other

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officers and to the best of your

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recollection what exactly did Roger say

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in that conversation about what he had

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seen exposed it was a very very brief he

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started to tell us that they saw

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something and that was as far as they

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got I now know the full extent of what

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he saw the Tic Tac the the object itself

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formed up with the Hawkeye and they

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could see it outside the windows and you

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know that based on subsequent

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discussions with Roger yes and I think

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he also said that Roger was kind of

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acting unusual after the incident with

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you Roger like kind of rattled he loved

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to fly so any chance he got to go up and

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fly he was all about it so when he came

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back it wasn't all happy and go-lucky

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and jokey you could tell something

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wasn't right

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just the way he acted and did he later

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kind of confirmed you that yeah dude

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this was really weird and I was rattled

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they they were more rattled by the fact

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that it showed up right next to him um

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the Hawkeye has no weapons it has no way

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to defend itself so if something pops up

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next to it there's nothing they can do

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and it usually flies above the Hornets

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it's usually way up and the Hornets it's

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essentially a quarterback it controls

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everything else so we're normally 250

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miles or so from the carrier depending

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on what we're doing and the fighters are

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out beyond that so and what altitude is

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it usually out it depends it depends

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what they do

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depends on the weather depends on

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atmospheric so the whole a whole lot of

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stuff that goes into where that plane is

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and what kind of recording equipment

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audio and video is on the Hawkeye um

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this is open for debate to some people

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because some people say I'm nuts but the

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Hawkeye can record basically everything

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it does everything me3 flight officers

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in the back see on their screens it can

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record from the time we started total

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time we stopped it recording that day

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yeah I'm the one who started it and when

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you say what they're seeing that is

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seeing through what kind of cameras no

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cameras

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it's recording symbology data things

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like that

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and what about radar they're not even

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Liam see things on radar oh yeah

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it's recording the radar data every

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every unknown track every known track

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every hostile track that pops up on that

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screen gets recorded and it's the same

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for every sensor system on that airplane

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and was the tic-tac seen on radar by the

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Hawkeye yes hey and what would that look

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like if we were to see the video of that

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um a little circle with a line coming

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from it the longer the line the faster

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it's going and it would be in this case

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like a yellowish foreign color because

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it's an unknown track red means bad blue

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means good

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so that would be yet another video that

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theoretically is out there um it's not

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it's not a video in the sense it's a

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video it's not a like a TV video it's

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it's literally a recording of their

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screen but there's a time element to it

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right yes or am I wrong yeah so you've

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been looking at you'd be looking at

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their radar as their radar appeared

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during the time they were flying

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observing this exact yes and there

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there's timestamps you could identify

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the time it popped up where it went

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there's also I can't tell you everything

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that was on there but there was also a

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system called yes

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which is electronic support measures

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it's basically a passive detection

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system it listens to electronic signals

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so we can tell frequencies and all kinds

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of other things so it was also picked up

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by that so there's a ton of data that

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that gives them that is out there

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somewhere

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so to the best of your recollection what

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did Roger say to you about what he

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observed when you had the subsequent

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conversation with him um basically after

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it toyed with flavor

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after his whole little deal we don't

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headed back to the ship it's outside the

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windows then it's gone it was all that

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quick so I think I think you cut out

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there just a brief second so basically

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the two Hornets are heading back to the

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ship basically everything was headed

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back to recover and out of nowhere

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a tic-tac because by the way there's

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been a lot of there's only one tic-tac

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in the video a lot of people are talking

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about just a tic tac even though correct

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me if I'm wrong the phased-array spy-1

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radar system was picking up five to ten

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tic tacs at a time yes so we don't

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really know they were tracking the

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tic-tac for well over a week right it

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could have been the same four or five it

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could have been different ones every day

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we don't really know right but as far as

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what these guys encountered both the

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Hawkeye and the Hornets it was just only

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one that any of them saw as far as I as

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far as I could tell yes I would assume

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it was the same one so Roger says

401
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essentially out of nowhere the tic-tac

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suddenly appears very close to their

403
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plane correct close enough for them to

404
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see the appendages close enough them to

405
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to recognize that it was the same thing

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favor was talking about close enough to

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see an American flag on the side of it

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my guess is they wouldn't have painted

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the American flag so how does he

410
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describe what he saw exactly that favor

411
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a giant fighter size looking tic-tac you

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said fighter size

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yeah

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mmm 40 years so long I think pretty

415
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close to every other description that's

416
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been given and how close does he think

417
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they were to it um closer than a mile he

418
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didn't really get too specific with that

419
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close enough that freaked him out and

420
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how long was it in that position minute

421
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minute and a half maybe wow that's a

422
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long time well I mean they when you're

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looking at something like that that

424
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you've never seen before their life and

425
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you're freaking out a minute to minute

426
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half probably feels like a lifetime yes

427
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and he says that all five people on

428
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board the hawk I saw it the three in the

429
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:43,840
back we know for sure thought and I've

430
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:45,490
talked and talked to more than one of

431
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them and we assume the two in front

432
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thought we just haven't talked to them

433
00:18:56,250 --> 00:18:54,610
to verify so you've spoken to at least

434
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two of the five people that were on

435
00:19:00,210 --> 00:18:58,600
board who said that they saw it yes I

436
00:19:01,380 --> 00:19:00,220
know who thought all five people in that

437
00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:01,390
plane were mm-hmm

438
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and as and you believe that if you were

439
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:05,380
to speak to all five of them each one of

440
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:06,480
the fight would say yeah we saw it

441
00:19:15,870 --> 00:19:11,760
that's my assumption so they were

442
00:19:20,220 --> 00:19:15,880
debriefed did Roger tell you who

443
00:19:22,650 --> 00:19:20,230
debriefed him no is it your belief that

444
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it was probably the same Air Force guys

445
00:19:29,730 --> 00:19:28,330
I couldn't even speculate it could have

446
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been misshaped Intel it could have been

447
00:19:35,310 --> 00:19:32,830
a whole bunch of different people we

448
00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:35,320
were close enough to San Diego that you

449
00:19:44,670 --> 00:19:37,780
know it was a 40-minute helicopter ride

450
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:44,680
from San Diego so what does Roger say he

451
00:19:50,730 --> 00:19:48,130
thinks it was he hasn't said anything

452
00:19:54,650 --> 00:19:50,740
wrong in that line he hasn't speculated

453
00:19:57,630 --> 00:19:54,660
he hasn't he hasn't guessed he's

454
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corroborated what he saw and that's bad

455
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as far as he wants to go with it

456
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but he still remains a good friend of

457
00:20:07,050 --> 00:20:03,970
yours today yeah

458
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and in general is he someone who tends

459
00:20:14,220 --> 00:20:10,840
to believe in extraterrestrial UFO UFOs

460
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yeah absolutely we've never really had

461
00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:16,480
that conversation despite all this we've

462
00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:17,980
never really sat down to talk about that

463
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yeah well because you know our angle

464
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I've been taking is that it certainly

465
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appears that something was seen the Navy

466
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itself at the highest level seems to be

467
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confirming that yes

468
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so something incredible happened on that

469
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day either the US Navy observed

470
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extraterrestrial spacecraft or it

471
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observes incredible new secret US

472
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technology there's a I have somewhat of

473
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the theory on that which is why I tend

474
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to lean towards it's our tech versus

475
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alien again I'm equally open to it being

476
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something from out of this world I'm not

477
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against that but if there's between the

478
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2004 in stood with the Nimitz and the

479
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Princeton and everything that happen off

480
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the East Coast in 2015 there's two

481
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similarities between those two strike

482
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groups in 2004 the Nimitz Strike Group

483
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was the best to maybe had aircraft

484
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training software technology it was a

485
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top-of-the-line 2015 that strike group

486
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that was involved same thing newest

487
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technology new a software newest

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aircraft best the Navy had its time so

489
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if I'm some other secret government

490
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agency and I want to test my object I'm

491
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gonna test it against the best the best

492
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we have and that's what happened with

493
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,640
the two different situations mm-hmm yeah

494
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we've been talking about that and that's

495
00:22:02,040 --> 00:21:59,560
essentially what turbo asserts that it

496
00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:02,050
was that type of a test but we've had

497
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:05,350
others come on and say that it would be

498
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highly unusual for one Department of the

499
00:22:13,659 --> 00:22:09,640
military to test something against

500
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another one to my knowledge yes

501
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I mean unusual things happen yeah and

502
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and and also the theory would be that at

503
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the highest levels it was known what was

504
00:22:29,409 --> 00:22:26,570
going on it's just the guys at your

505
00:22:30,430 --> 00:22:29,419
level and even at fray vers level were

506
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not in on it

507
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but at the commanding level they were in

508
00:22:39,489 --> 00:22:36,859
on it um well depends on how accurate

509
00:22:40,930 --> 00:22:39,499
you want your test to be but the more

510
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:40,940
people who know to test the less

511
00:22:47,249 --> 00:22:43,369
accurate your results are gonna be

512
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right so they could have stopped that

513
00:22:52,719 --> 00:22:50,509
knowledge that commander Pacific Fleet

514
00:22:55,659 --> 00:22:52,729
or they could stopped it at the Strike

515
00:22:56,949 --> 00:22:55,669
Group Admiral there's a hand of stencil

516
00:22:58,690 --> 00:22:56,959
different places they could stop that

517
00:23:01,389 --> 00:22:58,700
knowledge at it if people in fact you

518
00:23:05,949 --> 00:23:01,399
know in a point that turbo made on our

519
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show is that of course they were in on

520
00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:08,119
it at the highest level because you

521
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would not send Navy Hornets out to check

522
00:23:18,849 --> 00:23:16,099
out unidentified objects flying as they

523
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were without ordnance I mean you're

524
00:23:23,049 --> 00:23:20,799
sending them on an arguably dangerous

525
00:23:25,449 --> 00:23:23,059
mission oh just go check out something

526
00:23:28,810 --> 00:23:25,459
that we have no idea what it is it's

527
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it's exhibiting supersonic speeds and

528
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you're gonna go just check it out

529
00:23:36,449 --> 00:23:35,089
without any weapons yes we do that all

530
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the time

531
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Mike give me an example any any unknown

532
00:23:49,329 --> 00:23:46,609
track that the Hawkeye picks up they

533
00:23:52,329 --> 00:23:49,339
generally vector a fighter to go check

534
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,339
it out like what is this and that's the

535
00:23:57,459 --> 00:23:54,799
fighters job there you go oh just uh you

536
00:24:00,969 --> 00:23:57,469
know pleasure pleasure boat you know

537
00:24:03,399 --> 00:24:00,979
it's just assess nice you know it's

538
00:24:06,249 --> 00:24:03,409
flying here it's an airliner you know it

539
00:24:07,869 --> 00:24:06,259
is that because our technology those

540
00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:07,879
Hornets are just so damn fast

541
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,459
and pilots so good that worst case

542
00:24:14,499 --> 00:24:13,039
scenario you get in a situation it can

543
00:24:19,209 --> 00:24:14,509
get out of it it doesn't necessarily

544
00:24:20,639 --> 00:24:19,219
need weapons for one we also had weapons

545
00:24:22,809 --> 00:24:20,649
on the ship they could have had other

546
00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:22,819
aircraft airborne relatively quickly

547
00:24:31,930 --> 00:24:27,880
has a lot to do with where we were

548
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:31,940
operating what we were doing and what

549
00:24:35,950 --> 00:24:34,370
they initially thought it was you know

550
00:24:38,590 --> 00:24:35,960
favours mentioned you know it could have

551
00:24:40,419 --> 00:24:38,600
been drug learners well nothing the drug

552
00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:40,429
runners are gonna have is gonna really

553
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:42,230
bother that f18 you do you thinking

554
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,650
about run it or scare the crap out of it

555
00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:46,640
you know I don't know if you've ever had

556
00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:49,400
a an f-18 fly close to you overhead it

557
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:52,100
it makes a whole lot of noise it'll do a

558
00:24:57,610 --> 00:24:54,289
lot of scaring just with the noise of

559
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:57,620
its engines what do you make of the

560
00:25:03,490 --> 00:25:01,520
question that was asked of the pilots

561
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:03,500
and you're gonna correct me if I get

562
00:25:08,649 --> 00:25:06,650
this wrong where they basically asked

563
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,659
the pilots do you have confirming

564
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:09,919
whether or not they have ordnance on

565
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:15,530
them they didn't lorem likely they may

566
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:19,010
have had bullets a lot of times but you

567
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:20,570
know what I'm talking about the question

568
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:23,210
this was picked up they have four teams

569
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:28,330
in training missiles

570
00:25:32,169 --> 00:25:30,950
it's basically blue missile stuck to the

571
00:25:34,419 --> 00:25:32,179
side of the airplane and they play laser

572
00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:34,429
tag so they can pretend to shoot each

573
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:36,860
other that there was no live ordnance

574
00:25:42,190 --> 00:25:40,610
that we know about that phrase do these

575
00:25:43,539 --> 00:25:42,200
just out of curiosity do these training

576
00:25:45,850 --> 00:25:43,549
missiles actually fire or they're just

577
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:45,860
sitting on her there's no way they're

578
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:49,730
coming off the rail hmm so specifically

579
00:25:53,289 --> 00:25:51,530
though I'm talking about the recording

580
00:25:55,090 --> 00:25:53,299
where the question is asked because

581
00:25:57,730 --> 00:25:55,100
we've had guests on who said that's a

582
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,740
very unusual question to even ask

583
00:26:01,539 --> 00:25:59,120
because of course they don't have

584
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,549
ordnance on them they're in training so

585
00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:04,240
why would you even ask that question

586
00:26:09,850 --> 00:26:07,700
ordnance is carried in training whether

587
00:26:13,270 --> 00:26:09,860
they do target past practice bombing

588
00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:13,280
practice it's not completely unusual for

589
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:16,760
the the ordnance involves um the reason

590
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:19,520
it's abnormal is the Prince didn't get

591
00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:21,110
it's the same airplane everybody else

592
00:26:28,539 --> 00:26:25,190
does the Princeton would have known if

593
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:28,549
it had orden inch enough because what

594
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:30,530
planes leave with what ordnance is

595
00:26:33,789 --> 00:26:31,730
planned out ahead of time so they can

596
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:33,799
have the Ordnance 20 and you never have

597
00:26:40,450 --> 00:26:38,450
them in training not generally so who

598
00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:40,460
was it that asked that question

599
00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:44,360
uh Kevin day Kevin was the one that

600
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:46,760
asked the pilots do you have ordnance it

601
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:50,960
was either him or what's-her-name

602
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,810
Theresa elders I believe who's no longer

603
00:27:02,460 --> 00:26:56,080
with us hmm

604
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:06,130
yeah what her title was but basically

605
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:09,850
she was an officer right above Kevin

606
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:13,370
yeah in the Nakhla manner well that's

607
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:13,760
what it is

608
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:16,610
pardon me she was attacked glasses off

609
00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:21,250
TA oh okay in the Dave Beatty video

610
00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:23,180
which is called what the Nimitz

611
00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:25,070
encounters yes sir he does some

612
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:28,670
recreations on there yes and it's a

613
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:30,440
female's voice who asked the question so

614
00:27:39,310 --> 00:27:35,650
maybe he it was her baby's life ah okay

615
00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:39,320
no she's an actress close enough but

616
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:40,700
anyway that probably tells us that it

617
00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:42,290
was it was the woman who asked that it

618
00:27:47,890 --> 00:27:45,590
was more than likely yes and and either

619
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:47,900
Dave or Kevin can correct me on that no

620
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:50,510
but anyway that question doesn't really

621
00:28:01,690 --> 00:27:56,050
strike you is that odd yes and no it's

622
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:01,700
it happens because not only even though

623
00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:04,130
the information was on the Princeton you

624
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:05,630
know they may not have had it right

625
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:07,250
where they work and it's easier

626
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:08,720
sometimes just to directly ask the

627
00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:14,920
question and go find the answer we can't

628
00:28:21,010 --> 00:28:18,440
I'm sorry we can only speculate as to

629
00:28:23,530 --> 00:28:21,020
why she asked that but perhaps I mean if

630
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:23,540
you listen to Kevin day and what he was

631
00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:24,380
observing

632
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:30,380
spectacular and which means that she was

633
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:32,210
privy to that also so you know maybe

634
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:33,410
they were concerned that they were

635
00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:35,210
sending him into some dangerous

636
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:39,260
situation Kevin stated more than once

637
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:41,210
his main concern for getting somebody to

638
00:28:46,050 --> 00:28:43,310
go check those out was because they are

639
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:46,060
all doing opposing a hazard to safety of

640
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:49,310
navigation for the aircraft they were in

641
00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:51,050
our airspace they were in places where

642
00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:53,660
could ultimately causing the collision

643
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:54,350
with an aircraft

644
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,850
or danger to the pilots that were out

645
00:29:01,480 --> 00:28:58,640
there that was one of his big pushes to

646
00:29:04,770 --> 00:29:01,490
convince the person skipper to allow

647
00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:04,780
them to take control of the fighters and

648
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:08,630
vector them over to one of the top acts

649
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,510
they saw mm-hmm and I assume this is the

650
00:29:18,909 --> 00:29:15,919
only time that kevin has ever

651
00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:18,919
experienced seeing these types of things

652
00:29:22,690 --> 00:29:20,270
on the radar system or there other times

653
00:29:24,340 --> 00:29:22,700
that he's seen them other than that week

654
00:29:28,270 --> 00:29:24,350
to my knowledge he hadn't seen him

655
00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:28,280
before that and am i right that it was I

656
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:30,380
know you said that it was the the best

657
00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:34,370
that Navy had the Nimitz at the time how

658
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:35,990
new was that radar system at the time do

659
00:29:39,250 --> 00:29:37,610
you know it wasn't necessarily the fact

660
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:39,260
that the radar system was new it was the

661
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:44,240
software they were using so the question

662
00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:46,450
is if it was a test were they testing

663
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:50,299
the software or were they testing the

664
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:55,010
tic tacs good question don't really have

665
00:30:00,370 --> 00:29:58,850
that answer and then same goes with the

666
00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:00,380
East Coast thing so there was two

667
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:02,030
different incidents on the East Coast

668
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:04,070
right the one you were talking about

669
00:30:07,149 --> 00:30:05,510
before where you said it was the latest

670
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:07,159
and greatest technology was which one

671
00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:09,289
was that go faster gimble both of them

672
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:11,950
both of them both of them was the same

673
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:14,570
strike group the way I understood it yes

674
00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:18,710
I haven't I haven't gotten quite as deep

675
00:30:27,850 --> 00:30:23,950
into those and be communicated with

676
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:27,860
those guys at all yeah so let's go back

677
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:31,520
to when you're first approached you're

678
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:34,370
putting the bricks away and there's a

679
00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:36,890
knock on the door and there's a couple

680
00:30:42,340 --> 00:30:38,390
Air Force guys and your commanding

681
00:30:46,029 --> 00:30:42,350
officer yes sir I mean just incredibly

682
00:30:47,740 --> 00:30:46,039
unusual to have a Air Force guys

683
00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:47,750
suddenly appear be have your commanding

684
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:50,950
officer come to you and see have your

685
00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:53,600
what otherwise is a routine job of

686
00:30:57,789 --> 00:30:56,150
putting the stuff away interrupted yep I

687
00:31:00,460 --> 00:30:57,799
mean the stuff was actually in my states

688
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,470
at that point when I had to open the

689
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:02,720
safe it's a it's a two-person safe so

690
00:31:06,850 --> 00:31:04,730
two different combinations the other

691
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:06,860
half the combination actually was on its

692
00:31:09,789 --> 00:31:07,970
way back from

693
00:31:11,139 --> 00:31:09,799
getting a snack so they actually add to

694
00:31:11,889 --> 00:31:11,149
wait a minute for us to be able to open

695
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:11,899
the safe again

696
00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:14,330
and normally why do you why do you put

697
00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:18,200
the stuff in a safe it's classified so

698
00:31:23,230 --> 00:31:20,389
even on a simple even a simple training

699
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:23,240
mission like that all that Dad is

700
00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:29,330
considered classified yes the even if we

701
00:31:33,789 --> 00:31:31,700
hadn't recorded anything all that still

702
00:31:35,499 --> 00:31:33,799
classified because those those hard

703
00:31:38,379 --> 00:31:35,509
drives contain the software for the

704
00:31:41,619 --> 00:31:38,389
systems and a whole bunch of captured

705
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:41,629
information so they were classified

706
00:31:47,019 --> 00:31:44,690
secret no matter what and in the rest of

707
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:47,029
your career did you ever have bricks

708
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:48,049
taken from you

709
00:31:56,619 --> 00:31:53,600
not in that manner so they knock on the

710
00:31:59,379 --> 00:31:56,629
door they say open the safe and give

711
00:32:01,240 --> 00:31:59,389
them to us basically when he opened the

712
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:01,250
door when we open the door he said I

713
00:32:07,869 --> 00:32:03,769
need the the bricks that were on that

714
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:07,879
flight you know we have a logbook that

715
00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:08,330
tracks

716
00:32:13,779 --> 00:32:10,820
what bricks are on what plane so we knew

717
00:32:17,740 --> 00:32:13,789
which ones they were and it's not

718
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:17,750
unheard of for them to come take the

719
00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:20,090
brick sometimes they need to update

720
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:21,620
information on it sometimes they need

721
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,490
update waypoints or other files so they

722
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:28,240
they periodically come to get him before

723
00:32:32,769 --> 00:32:30,500
normally we just sign in our logbook

724
00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:32,779
sell him sell has him they take him to

725
00:32:35,860 --> 00:32:33,860
the ready room and they bring them back

726
00:32:37,810 --> 00:32:35,870
when they're done in this case when I

727
00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:37,820
was starting to sign them out he stopped

728
00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:40,820
me it's like don't worry about it I'm

729
00:32:48,879 --> 00:32:45,220
taking them that's it end of discussion

730
00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:48,889
so and then how much time elapsed before

731
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:50,360
you had the conversation with Roger

732
00:32:57,730 --> 00:32:54,799
where he really ten minutes give or take

733
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,740
a minute I mean 14 years or so now right

734
00:33:03,009 --> 00:33:00,080
and but that's the conversation that got

735
00:33:05,889 --> 00:33:03,019
interrupted and then later he gave you

736
00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:05,899
more detail yes how much later was it

737
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:08,990
when it give them more detail don't

738
00:33:15,009 --> 00:33:13,000
remember this point same day same day I

739
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,019
think you said one of the interviews

740
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,840
that this whole incident you had almost

741
00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:20,240
kind of semi forgotten it until

742
00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:21,590
something else

743
00:33:29,290 --> 00:33:25,520
came home yes you know it ends up being

744
00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:29,300
a drinking story something you mentioned

745
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:33,140
a few times he's still too drunk that's

746
00:33:36,220 --> 00:33:34,970
the most party was something I

747
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:36,230
remembered but it wasn't something I

748
00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:38,030
talked about it wasn't something I I

749
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:41,150
researched looked into then I ran across

750
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,960
Dave baby's original version of the

751
00:33:48,910 --> 00:33:46,640
nimitz encounters its documentary I

752
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:48,920
reached out basically saying hey there's

753
00:33:55,390 --> 00:33:50,390
a bunch more to the story you don't know

754
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:55,400
and you know Dave did his due diligence

755
00:33:58,900 --> 00:33:56,450
to make sure I wasn't full of it and

756
00:34:00,490 --> 00:33:58,910
just you know trying to latch onto

757
00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:00,500
something you know he verified who I was

758
00:34:08,290 --> 00:34:03,400
he very fair admit duty my 50:14

759
00:34:15,670 --> 00:34:08,300
ultimately he got put in contact with

760
00:34:18,370 --> 00:34:15,680
Roger Roger gave a very brief it was

761
00:34:21,910 --> 00:34:18,380
very brief email basically to clarify

762
00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:21,920
with Dave baby that wasn't [\h__\h] he

763
00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:24,400
cooperated what he could with Dave baby

764
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:27,940
and that's how I got involved and

765
00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:30,290
through that that that's when I got in

766
00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:31,190
touch with Gary

767
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:36,200
Kevin Jason and the whole group and it

768
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:38,690
was interesting because Dave baby knew

769
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:43,040
all our stories before we kind of knew

770
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:45,260
all our stories you know at that point

771
00:34:50,830 --> 00:34:46,850
he had already been involved with Gary

772
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:50,840
and Kevin for a while it'll be clear

773
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:53,690
these are guys that all worked on the

774
00:35:00,040 --> 00:34:56,120
Princeton right yes I'm the only one

775
00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:00,050
who's come forward from the Nimitz so at

776
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:01,820
the moment at least hopefully they'll be

777
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:08,410
so the incident had happened it had been

778
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:10,130
a long time in about ten years since it

779
00:35:17,650 --> 00:35:14,270
happened or over ten years and when you

780
00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:17,660
saw the nimitz documentary it triggered

781
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:22,790
everything yeah but did you need to be

782
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:25,220
retread about the fact that the air

783
00:35:32,170 --> 00:35:30,050
force guys had you know that was that

784
00:35:34,540 --> 00:35:32,180
was the part I filled in date they'd be

785
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:34,550
right away that's what that's what I

786
00:35:40,530 --> 00:35:37,970
told him in my initial email to him was

787
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:40,540
that they had come and taken it and

788
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:42,650
through talking and reading everybody

789
00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:44,210
else's experience you know you almost

790
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:46,550
begin to second-guess yourself like

791
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:47,990
maybe that's not entirely what I

792
00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:50,690
remembered and then you talked to Gary

793
00:35:55,569 --> 00:35:52,670
Voorhees who had guys show up and take

794
00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:55,579
his stuff and then you reached out to

795
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,500
people who were there and they all

796
00:36:02,050 --> 00:35:59,599
remember the same exact thing you do you

797
00:36:04,750 --> 00:36:02,060
know so now I'm 100% positive that they

798
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:04,760
showed up took my stuff I mean any doubt

799
00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:06,470
I had when I first reached out to Dave

800
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:09,800
bait eased and shoved out the window and

801
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,530
the doubt was simply a matter of it

802
00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:14,240
being a long time ago yeah

803
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:16,220
because again it seems like a highly

804
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:17,690
unusual thing that you you wouldn't

805
00:36:22,359 --> 00:36:18,170
forget

806
00:36:24,819 --> 00:36:22,369
yeah well said I I remember the details

807
00:36:27,339 --> 00:36:24,829
and a few things that you know I

808
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:27,349
forgotten over time when I've

809
00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:29,030
reconnected with the guy I said were

810
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:31,160
there with me and I've talked at length

811
00:36:36,339 --> 00:36:32,569
with several the other guys I worked

812
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:36,349
with several the guy is higher in my

813
00:36:41,579 --> 00:36:38,900
command and then obviously I've talked

814
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,589
that way with Roger about it you know

815
00:36:46,569 --> 00:36:44,240
people have reminded me a stuff of I

816
00:36:49,420 --> 00:36:46,579
forgotten I've obviously reminded them

817
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:49,430
of stuff they'd forgotten but I've been

818
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:52,430
able to rebuild my memory of the events

819
00:36:56,349 --> 00:36:54,170
through talking with the other people

820
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,359
that were there because like you said

821
00:37:01,559 --> 00:36:58,160
it's a long time ago I didn't remember

822
00:37:04,349 --> 00:37:01,569
every single detail so who else

823
00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:04,359
interacted with these two Air Force guys

824
00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:06,230
there were three other guys in the

825
00:37:11,230 --> 00:37:09,800
workcenter with me at the time I'm sorry

826
00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:11,240
you're saying when they knocked on the

827
00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:13,160
door there were three other guys with me

828
00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:15,470
okay and but none of them have spoken

829
00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:17,150
out yet correct

830
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:19,790
and what about of people who have spoken

831
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:21,410
out is there anyone else who's spoken

832
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:23,510
out and said that yes - air force guys

833
00:37:30,220 --> 00:37:26,450
came and took whatever yet the closest

834
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:30,230
to anybody going public is Roger who's

835
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:35,630
obviously not gone public in you know he

836
00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:36,980
hasn't really gone public he's just

837
00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:38,990
shared stuff through myself and Dave

838
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:40,120
Beatty

839
00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:45,170
but Gary Voorhees has corroborated that

840
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:47,990
people took his stuff but he doesn't

841
00:37:50,530 --> 00:37:49,310
remember them being in Air Force flight

842
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:50,540
suits he just remember them being in

843
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:56,150
plain clothes savour he says that in

844
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:00,320
another unusual move he had to handover

845
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:03,170
stuff he had to handover stuff and he

846
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:07,850
had to erase a bunch of stuff and that

847
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,850
would have been highly unusual yep and

848
00:38:16,110 --> 00:38:13,760
who does he recall he says it wasn't Air

849
00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:16,120
Force who was it that he says no he just

850
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:21,590
you guys hmm so really you're the only

851
00:38:28,090 --> 00:38:24,260
one that's come out at this point about

852
00:38:30,070 --> 00:38:28,100
the two Air Force guys correct but but

853
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:30,080
it have you spoken to any of the other

854
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:34,000
three guys that were with you recently

855
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:36,440
to kind of confirm hey by the way guys

856
00:38:41,410 --> 00:38:38,630
you have the same recollection I do at

857
00:38:44,380 --> 00:38:41,420
two months ago was the last time and

858
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:44,390
they said that they were definitely Air

859
00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:46,490
Force guys I've been trying to pressure

860
00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:51,830
them to come forward one of them is

861
00:38:56,980 --> 00:38:54,350
thinking about it but isn't a hundred

862
00:39:00,160 --> 00:38:56,990
percent sure he wants to risk what he

863
00:39:01,540 --> 00:39:00,170
does right now well he's he's welcome on

864
00:39:04,090 --> 00:39:01,550
the hidden crew show anytime

865
00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:04,100
you know we pay $5.00 per appearance so

866
00:39:11,890 --> 00:39:08,990
let him know because you know that that

867
00:39:16,030 --> 00:39:11,900
part is a really in my opinion really

868
00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:16,040
critical part because if the Air Force

869
00:39:23,650 --> 00:39:20,750
is involved in this it does tend to push

870
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:23,660
you toward the 60% as you say of this

871
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:27,770
being some type of us test because if it

872
00:39:31,830 --> 00:39:29,330
was extraterrestrial let's say let's

873
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:34,720
why is he here for suddenly there but

874
00:39:40,180 --> 00:39:37,190
the other part to that is the Princeton

875
00:39:42,970 --> 00:39:40,190
have been tracking the object for about

876
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:42,980
a week or so that's more than enough

877
00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:47,810
time for word to make it back to San

878
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:50,390
Diego and to whatever other agencies

879
00:39:54,250 --> 00:39:53,090
need to know and people mobilized and

880
00:39:56,050 --> 00:39:54,260
then come out to the ship

881
00:39:58,540 --> 00:39:56,060
yeah now that's more than enough time

882
00:40:00,370 --> 00:39:58,550
for them be like hey it's a UFO hey

883
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:00,380
we're the guys who research UFO so let's

884
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:02,540
go get it yeah no there's more than

885
00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:03,710
enough time for all that kind of stuff

886
00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:06,200
that right but presumably if they're

887
00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:07,400
taking it they're trying to control

888
00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:11,300
information right and so either the US

889
00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:11,990
government is trying to control

890
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:14,060
information about its own secret project

891
00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:15,290
or trying to control information

892
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:17,660
regarding an extraterrestrial object I

893
00:40:22,330 --> 00:40:21,020
know people in the UFO community believe

894
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:22,340
that the US government does a lot of

895
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:25,610
things to hide extraterrestrial objects

896
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:30,950
from us but that's mostly a theory it

897
00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:34,610
has to do the government hide stuff I

898
00:40:41,050 --> 00:40:38,630
know that for a fact it's not I don't

899
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,060
know and I could be 100% wrong I'm just

900
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:42,880
going for my knowledge in my experience

901
00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:46,570
there's stuff that the government has

902
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:48,950
that we don't want everybody else to

903
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:52,490
know about there is technology in use on

904
00:40:59,320 --> 00:40:57,680
the Hawkeye that I can't talk about to

905
00:41:01,870 --> 00:40:59,330
enlisted people in my squadron at the

906
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:01,880
time were cleared on it one was me one

907
00:41:06,490 --> 00:41:04,910
was Roger you know everybody else had no

908
00:41:09,820 --> 00:41:06,500
clue what those boxes were except from

909
00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:09,830
the two of us and the officers there's

910
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:13,190
stuff that the Hawkeye would have

911
00:41:18,660 --> 00:41:15,530
recorded that would have been very

912
00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:18,670
valuable whether it was our tech or

913
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:21,950
somebody else's tactic when you add that

914
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,040
data to the radar tracks to the ESM

915
00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:27,200
tracks to what would have been shared

916
00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:31,900
over the CC network there is a ton of

917
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:35,030
data raw data whether it's frequencies

918
00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:40,490
or trying to figure out a way to say it

919
00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:44,180
without saying anything I can't say but

920
00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:44,630
there would be

921
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:49,340
frequencies altitudes directions all

922
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:53,090
kinds of data that was pulled the mirror

923
00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:54,290
in other words the mere fact that we

924
00:42:00,010 --> 00:41:57,260
have that data tells you there's

925
00:42:04,930 --> 00:42:00,020
something unique on this Hawkeye yes I

926
00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:04,940
mean there's unique stuff on let's let's

927
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,120
talk a little bit about the NDA's

928
00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:09,440
non-disclosure agreements that you're

929
00:42:18,070 --> 00:42:14,200
you say that Roger and the other four

930
00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:18,080
people that were on the Hawkeye sign now

931
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:19,460
I'm gonna be clear I've never seen the

932
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:24,650
NDA's no one else to sign NDA's I have

933
00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:28,490
no reason to doubt that Roger and the

934
00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:33,350
crew did sign them and my assumption my

935
00:42:38,590 --> 00:42:36,350
reasoning for them most likely signing

936
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:38,600
them asked to do with a the fact that

937
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,130
the thing showed up right next to him

938
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:42,800
and all the information they would have

939
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,400
seen about that object they would have

940
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:48,560
seen a whole lot of data about it on

941
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:51,170
their screens so how many people told

942
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:54,110
you they signed an NDA Roger is the only

943
00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:55,550
person I've been to be able to verify

944
00:43:00,970 --> 00:42:57,550
that has said they were signing in days

945
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:00,980
is the whole concept of signing an NDA

946
00:43:08,530 --> 00:43:04,400
as a result of an incident something

947
00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:08,540
that's common in the Navy yes I couldn't

948
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,540
tell you how many MBAs I've signed see

949
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:13,280
that's on you that's first I've heard of

950
00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:14,870
that not being a military guy because it

951
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:16,520
would just seem to me that the mere fact

952
00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:19,490
that you're in the military and you you

953
00:43:22,030 --> 00:43:20,660
know the certain things are top secret

954
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:22,040
and it's just isn't there some

955
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:24,610
understanding generally speaking about

956
00:43:30,810 --> 00:43:26,660
what yet things you're allowed to talk

957
00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:30,820
about what you can't talk about 100% but

958
00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:34,220
if you look at the the types of security

959
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,440
clearances you have no clearance you

960
00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:38,000
have confidence until you have secret

961
00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:40,940
you have top-secret and that that's

962
00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:42,740
ultimately the extent of security

963
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:45,080
clearances within those levels there's

964
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,190
all kinds of other different acronyms so

965
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:50,720
you know I can have a top secret

966
00:43:55,930 --> 00:43:53,570
clearance you know you could have a top

967
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:55,940
secret clearance and we know nothing

968
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:58,619
about each other stuff

969
00:44:01,249 --> 00:43:59,700
not allowed to know about your

970
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,259
top-secret stuff and you're not allowed

971
00:44:08,299 --> 00:44:03,180
to know about my top-secret stuff it's

972
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:08,309
all compartmentalized and you know I've

973
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:11,970
signed NDA's for accidental exposure to

974
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:15,180
things so even after usually an NDA is

975
00:44:19,849 --> 00:44:16,650
signed before you get the information

976
00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:19,859
crap but you've gotten them both before

977
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:23,400
and after you've got the information and

978
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:26,220
give us the essence of what the NDA says

979
00:44:29,749 --> 00:44:27,660
I'm sure it's a bunch of legalese but

980
00:44:31,579 --> 00:44:29,759
what's kind of the essence of it

981
00:44:36,999 --> 00:44:31,589
ironically I've never read the whole

982
00:44:40,009 --> 00:44:37,009
thing but basically nobody does it lists

983
00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:40,019
whatever I'm not supposed to say or what

984
00:44:45,799 --> 00:44:42,119
I'm not supposed talked about whether

985
00:44:48,289 --> 00:44:45,809
it's a system or topic or an event and

986
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,299
then it tells me I'm going to jail for

987
00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:50,640
very long time if I open my mouth Wow so

988
00:45:00,079 --> 00:44:57,069
mean I'm sure you can google search

989
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:00,089
standard military NDA they're out there

990
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:03,900
they're not exactly a hidden secret so

991
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:05,730
I'd like to also ask you about what

992
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:08,460
flavour says Dave raver the squadron

993
00:45:14,839 --> 00:45:11,730
commander who essentially says that he

994
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:14,849
was not interrogated about it not

995
00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:17,940
debriefed nothing was taken from him etc

996
00:45:25,099 --> 00:45:21,960
and almost seems to kind of cast doubt

997
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:25,109
on your story and story of some of the

998
00:45:31,309 --> 00:45:28,170
other guys yep I'm gonna start out by

999
00:45:33,739 --> 00:45:31,319
saying i 100% believe everything flavour

1000
00:45:38,299 --> 00:45:33,749
has said about what he's seen what he

1001
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:38,309
experienced the guy is highly trained he

1002
00:45:44,479 --> 00:45:41,940
is it was not in his position by luck he

1003
00:45:46,579 --> 00:45:44,489
did everything he could to earn it to be

1004
00:45:48,019 --> 00:45:46,589
there I'm gonna interrupt you for one

1005
00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:48,029
second I kind of let my dog out who's

1006
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:50,819
being uh go ahead

1007
00:45:57,069 --> 00:45:54,450
flavor said he was you know top 20 as

1008
00:45:59,299 --> 00:45:57,079
far as seniority in that in the

1009
00:46:02,210 --> 00:45:59,309
hierarchy of the carrier I mean it's not

1010
00:46:04,489 --> 00:46:02,220
wrong he was up there but just because

1011
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:04,499
he's that high doesn't mean he has need

1012
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:07,380
to know everything there's stuff that

1013
00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:10,650
happened in the Hawkeye squadron that he

1014
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:12,390
has no need to know I'm sure

1015
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:13,650
their stuff that happened in his

1016
00:46:19,099 --> 00:46:16,170
squadron that the Hawkeye skipper had no

1017
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:19,109
need to know again it's it's

1018
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,650
compartmentalized information I

1019
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:24,319
guarantee you he had no clue about

1020
00:46:29,299 --> 00:46:26,990
certain things that were on that Hawkeye

1021
00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:29,309
because it had nothing to do with his

1022
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,470
job it had nothing to do with his

1023
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:33,839
aircraft he wouldn't be read into that

1024
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:38,160
program and if that system is why I

1025
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,849
suspect the nba's were signed he's gonna

1026
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,680
know nothing about it and the guys who

1027
00:46:49,069 --> 00:46:45,240
signed him aren't gonna go advertised

1028
00:46:50,859 --> 00:46:49,079
him oh yeah we signed NDA's mm-hmm well

1029
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,869
furthermore because he is higher up

1030
00:46:54,799 --> 00:46:53,760
maybe there was Ness less need for have

1031
00:47:00,200 --> 00:46:54,809
him sign an NDA

1032
00:47:02,059 --> 00:47:00,210
I mean openly I'll favorite is granted

1033
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:02,069
the most public person with this whole

1034
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:06,180
story but he's also the smallest part of

1035
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:10,140
the entire story he was sent to look at

1036
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:13,140
something by the Princeton he looked at

1037
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:15,529
it he saw it he chased it he went away

1038
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,329
that's the extent of his time in the

1039
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:20,640
whole event he got back to the ship he

1040
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:22,200
told the next crew going out who was

1041
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:25,369
underwood and whoever was with underwood

1042
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:29,430
hey we just saw this do you see it see

1043
00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:30,569
if you can get some footage of it I

1044
00:47:36,859 --> 00:47:33,150
don't know exactly what words he used

1045
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,869
but Underwood takes off happens to run

1046
00:47:42,650 --> 00:47:39,240
into it gets that clear footage and

1047
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:42,660
that's where we are but remind me has

1048
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,140
Underwood spoken out yep a couple weeks

1049
00:47:51,140 --> 00:47:48,319
ago maybe a little more than a month ago

1050
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:51,150
and an interview with him and he

1051
00:47:56,749 --> 00:47:53,250
corroborated flavor essentially that he

1052
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:56,759
did see something yep so that's a nice

1053
00:48:02,269 --> 00:48:00,000
crop rated a good portion what we said -

1054
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:02,279
and one other things flavor says was the

1055
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:03,480
video was out there was all there was

1056
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:07,049
and Underwood has already stated no

1057
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:09,569
there's more and what about the guys

1058
00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:11,220
that say they actually saw it with

1059
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:15,470
binoculars from the Princeton I

1060
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:18,630
wholeheartedly believe it but it was

1061
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:20,430
very far away though right

1062
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:23,190
it was very very big binoculars they

1063
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:25,380
were called big eyes

1064
00:48:31,950 --> 00:48:29,590
that I meant or they're meant for doing

1065
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:31,960
that and of course the altitude of the

1066
00:48:35,850 --> 00:48:33,490
tic-tac would have had to have been a

1067
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:35,860
certain level for them to see it because

1068
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:37,240
of the horizon if it was low they

1069
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:40,090
wouldn't have seen it mmm like said they

1070
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,180
were tracking them for a whole week and

1071
00:48:47,070 --> 00:48:44,800
Kevin would have to clarify things I

1072
00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:47,080
don't know what altitudes or what

1073
00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:49,000
exactly locations but they were

1074
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:50,740
attracted by a variety of different

1075
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:52,450
altitudes a variety of different places

1076
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:55,570
and like I said more than one person

1077
00:49:00,300 --> 00:48:58,210
some of whom really have no contact with

1078
00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:00,310
each other have said they saw it with

1079
00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:01,990
their own eyes so the same type of

1080
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:05,230
bricks that were on the Hawkeye would

1081
00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:07,740
have been on the Hornets correct no

1082
00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:10,300
different is there a brick at all on a

1083
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:14,590
Hornet they have mission tapes okay so

1084
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:15,720
let's talk about the mission tapes

1085
00:49:19,770 --> 00:49:18,190
wouldn't the Air Force theoretically

1086
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:19,780
want those mission tapes just like they

1087
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:21,810
wanted the stuff off the Hawkeye nope

1088
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:28,560
there's nothing there like explain dot

1089
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:37,200
doing the same things the Princeton's

1090
00:49:41,850 --> 00:49:39,490
radar was it was not meant for doing the

1091
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:41,860
same thing the Hawkeye radar words it

1092
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:45,730
was meant for a dogfight or you know

1093
00:49:50,070 --> 00:49:47,410
that type of thing

1094
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:50,080
the fire-control radar it's meant to aim

1095
00:49:56,430 --> 00:49:53,260
the missile it's not meant to do it's

1096
00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:56,440
got a very short range it's got a not

1097
00:50:03,000 --> 00:49:58,510
meant to do everything that seems tenth

1098
00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:03,010
of its it's real capabilities it's got

1099
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:04,870
that in the FLIR pod beyond that it's

1100
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:06,610
guns and missiles but did they or did

1101
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:08,050
they not pick up the tic tacs on the

1102
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:12,970
radar don't know I've heard both so if

1103
00:50:17,970 --> 00:50:14,650
they did pick it up then there would be

1104
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:17,980
essentially a pseudo video of that yep

1105
00:50:21,570 --> 00:50:19,990
it would they would have painted a track

1106
00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:21,580
just like the Princeton would have just

1107
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,800
like we would have but it would have

1108
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:25,680
been shared to both the Princeton and

1109
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,680
the Hawkeye V data links so that data

1110
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:31,680
was already in two other places

1111
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:34,090
whatever the Hornets are picking up the

1112
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,250
Hawkeye is getting from the Hornets yep

1113
00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:38,800
so for sure the hor

1114
00:50:44,130 --> 00:50:41,190
bricks would be the key bricks to get

1115
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:44,140
Hawkeye bricks sorry sorry yes the

1116
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:46,090
Hawkeye bricks I would have seen

1117
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:48,430
everything the Princeton saw the Hawkeye

1118
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:49,390
would have seen everything the fighter

1119
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:50,650
saw the Hawkeye would have seen

1120
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:56,130
everything that Nimitz saw the Prowler

1121
00:51:01,530 --> 00:50:58,240
basically anything that was tied into

1122
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:01,540
that datalink it would have seen in that

1123
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:05,290
Hawkeye and why do you think Underwood

1124
00:51:12,359 --> 00:51:08,650
was recording while flavor and the other

1125
00:51:13,859 --> 00:51:12,369
plane were not recording um mainly

1126
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:13,869
because he had a head up heads-up that

1127
00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:14,970
something was out there

1128
00:51:23,970 --> 00:51:18,760
well favored to - I thought no flavor

1129
00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:23,980
was already airborne headed out to -

1130
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:26,470
well okay but but then he's alerted hey

1131
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,450
we want you to go check something out so

1132
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:30,160
well you would you could turn the video

1133
00:51:36,089 --> 00:51:33,849
on at that point right because I've no

1134
00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:36,099
reason for him why he did who I didn't

1135
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:39,720
mm-hmm he could have been saving it for

1136
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:42,130
the actual training exercise he was a

1137
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:44,440
part of he could have been more focused

1138
00:51:48,810 --> 00:51:47,710
on what they were telling him to do I he

1139
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:48,820
would have to answer that question

1140
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,810
mm-hmm Michael was raising an

1141
00:51:57,329 --> 00:51:54,880
interesting point which is that these

1142
00:51:58,290 --> 00:51:57,339
two guys that came and took her for me

1143
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,300
from the Air Force you said they're

1144
00:52:04,290 --> 00:52:01,359
wearing flight suits so they're not

1145
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:04,300
hiding the fact in any way where they're

1146
00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:07,990
from nope and the big thing is and you

1147
00:52:12,570 --> 00:52:09,640
know somebody asked me how do you I know

1148
00:52:15,140 --> 00:52:12,580
they weren't you know to Navy guys in

1149
00:52:18,930 --> 00:52:15,150
flight suits that came with him because

1150
00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:18,940
the you signe up between a navy flight

1151
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:21,190
suit an Air Force flight suit are

1152
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:24,310
distinctively different so you can tell

1153
00:52:26,490 --> 00:52:25,599
the difference you know you're taught

1154
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:26,500
bootcamp how to tell the difference

1155
00:52:31,770 --> 00:52:29,440
between services so they were definitely

1156
00:52:34,740 --> 00:52:31,780
Air Force uniforms Air Force flight suit

1157
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:34,750
and you believe they arrived via

1158
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:37,839
helicopter bit when you're out to sea

1159
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:39,190
there's only really two ways onto the

1160
00:52:44,609 --> 00:52:40,810
aircraft carrier one's my helicopter

1161
00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:44,619
once my Cod the cod has the same engine

1162
00:52:48,990 --> 00:52:47,320
same avionics as the Hawkeye so when it

1163
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:49,000
comes out to the ships the Hawkeye guys

1164
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:51,310
were the ones to take care of it so I

1165
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:52,390
was doing

1166
00:52:57,809 --> 00:52:54,250
the Hawkeye or the cod everytime it

1167
00:53:00,690 --> 00:52:57,819
touched that day and I saw no Air Force

1168
00:53:03,509 --> 00:53:00,700
guys get off that god the helicopter

1169
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:03,519
comes and goes so often that you can

1170
00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:05,230
easily miss somebody getting on and off

1171
00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:09,460
of it so my assumption is they came on

1172
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:11,230
be a helicopter that day at some point

1173
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:14,049
in KLM and your assumption would be they

1174
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:17,529
came from where San Diego I like said

1175
00:53:21,779 --> 00:53:20,890
San Diego was only about a 40-minute 45

1176
00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:21,789
minute flight time

1177
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:25,750
Kurn 860 tell us about San Clemente

1178
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:27,390
Island and what happens there

1179
00:53:35,549 --> 00:53:31,140
it's its training base it's got a runway

1180
00:53:40,380 --> 00:53:35,559
it's got some tracking stuff for the

1181
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:40,390
Pacific missile test range I know

1182
00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:43,089
if you screw up they send you out to the

1183
00:53:49,799 --> 00:53:47,579
island it's your Alcatraz basically

1184
00:53:53,279 --> 00:53:49,809
people don't like living on the island

1185
00:53:55,769 --> 00:53:53,289
there's nothing to do out there and is

1186
00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:55,779
that entire island of federal government

1187
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,690
yes and as far as you know as their

1188
00:54:06,749 --> 00:54:01,119
secret super secret stuff taking place

1189
00:54:09,029 --> 00:54:06,759
there there where stand Clemente is it's

1190
00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:09,039
not far from Point Mugu Naval Air

1191
00:54:14,130 --> 00:54:12,940
Station which is the home of the Pacific

1192
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:14,140
missile test range that's where they do

1193
00:54:18,660 --> 00:54:16,930
missile testing for basically any Navy

1194
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:18,670
missile that's been out there whether

1195
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:22,839
it's Aaron air-to-ground you know it

1196
00:54:27,930 --> 00:54:25,480
gets tested out there so they have a ton

1197
00:54:29,579 --> 00:54:27,940
of different sensors that are right out

1198
00:54:30,990 --> 00:54:29,589
there on the hill in Point Mugu you can

1199
00:54:34,289 --> 00:54:31,000
see him from the Pacific Coast Highway

1200
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:34,299
headed down to Santa Monica San Clemente

1201
00:54:39,089 --> 00:54:35,609
days got a bunch of bombs

1202
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:39,099
there's ships that have a whole bunch of

1203
00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:41,950
stuff for telemetry there could be stuff

1204
00:54:48,499 --> 00:54:43,900
out there just nothing I'm out right all

1205
00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:48,509
aware of mm-hmm are you aware of any

1206
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:55,630
technology that is secret then ask you

1207
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:56,710
to disclose it but you're aware of any

1208
00:55:01,650 --> 00:54:57,970
technology that's secret that that's

1209
00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:01,660
anywhere close to explaining this

1210
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:03,880
tic-tac yeah

1211
00:55:09,490 --> 00:55:07,040
and but you've probably done a lot of

1212
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,500
reading about it since I mean for

1213
00:55:14,830 --> 00:55:10,880
instance we've been talking on this show

1214
00:55:16,770 --> 00:55:14,840
about these Navy patents that disclose

1215
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:16,780
something that appears to be very

1216
00:55:20,590 --> 00:55:19,490
similar to the technology of a tic-tac

1217
00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:20,600
even the size of it

1218
00:55:25,150 --> 00:55:22,420
explaining kind of anti-gravity

1219
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:25,160
technologies etc is that anything you've

1220
00:55:30,780 --> 00:55:27,850
looked into Oh briefly

1221
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:30,790
try not to clutter my mind with extra

1222
00:55:39,970 --> 00:55:37,040
extra stuff well but I imagine it weighs

1223
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:39,980
on you though quite a bit wondering what

1224
00:55:43,780 --> 00:55:42,170
this thing was I assume you'd really

1225
00:55:45,370 --> 00:55:43,790
like to know the answer to that let's

1226
00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:45,380
that's the whole reason little group of

1227
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:47,030
us has called gone public

1228
00:55:53,890 --> 00:55:50,960
um Kevin Day and Gary Voorhees initially

1229
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:53,900
went public to support Dave flavour you

1230
00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:55,430
know the rest of us have joined in to

1231
00:56:01,150 --> 00:55:58,190
support Dave favor and what Kevin said

1232
00:56:04,210 --> 00:56:01,160
and what Gary said and you know we all

1233
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:04,220
supporting each other you know it's

1234
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,130
highly possible that you know the

1235
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:09,440
patents that the Navy has or some of the

1236
00:56:14,770 --> 00:56:11,210
other systems that have come to light

1237
00:56:17,260 --> 00:56:14,780
recently could have been back then much

1238
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:17,270
more secret than they are now could have

1239
00:56:23,350 --> 00:56:21,020
been could have been the things that

1240
00:56:25,630 --> 00:56:23,360
were tested against us you know we could

1241
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:25,640
have been the test dummies first any

1242
00:56:36,070 --> 00:56:27,530
number of the stuff that's people that

1243
00:56:39,610 --> 00:56:36,080
asked about but it was a physical object

1244
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:39,620
that was tracked the data exists to

1245
00:56:45,010 --> 00:56:42,290
prove that it was a physical object that

1246
00:56:46,540 --> 00:56:45,020
was tracked but obviously we don't have

1247
00:56:48,930 --> 00:56:46,550
that data the government's got it we

1248
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:48,940
can't give it to you mm-hmm

1249
00:56:54,930 --> 00:56:52,670
two other questions one is from our last

1250
00:56:58,260 --> 00:56:54,940
episode with TD Barnes you talks about

1251
00:57:00,490 --> 00:56:58,270
various phantom or altered reality

1252
00:57:02,860 --> 00:57:00,500
technologies that exist out there that

1253
00:57:05,410 --> 00:57:02,870
allow us to fool our enemies into

1254
00:57:07,330 --> 00:57:05,420
thinking that they're encountering you

1255
00:57:08,650 --> 00:57:07,340
know tons of our aircraft or whatever I

1256
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:08,660
think one of the projects was called

1257
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,880
nemesis and once Pegasus

1258
00:57:16,729 --> 00:57:13,920
nemesis I've heard of nemesis is one of

1259
00:57:20,029 --> 00:57:16,739
them yeah so the idea that that's what

1260
00:57:22,579 --> 00:57:20,039
this could have been was us testing that

1261
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,589
type of technology the only issue I have

1262
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:25,200
with that is I've just started reading

1263
00:57:30,019 --> 00:57:27,720
into what's out there about that so I

1264
00:57:33,099 --> 00:57:30,029
don't know all the details for it

1265
00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:33,109
but again we tracked a physical object

1266
00:57:37,729 --> 00:57:35,670
from what I understand about that stuff

1267
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:37,739
it's not a physical object that they're

1268
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:39,930
gonna try and track no but it's supposed

1269
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:41,700
to lead the enemy into believing there's

1270
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:46,970
a physical object there our radars

1271
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:51,210
especially the spy one as old as the hot

1272
00:57:58,089 --> 00:57:55,200
guys radar was its time and the hot the

1273
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,099
advanced Hawkeye radars in use in 2015

1274
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:01,200
there's very distinct attributes that

1275
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:03,180
those radars have that make it very

1276
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:07,140
difficult to spoof make it very

1277
00:58:14,420 --> 00:58:11,609
difficult to a jam to spoof create false

1278
00:58:20,660 --> 00:58:14,430
tracks any of that it's very hard to do

1279
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:20,670
that with technology a lot of people say

1280
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:22,380
you know the Princeton was tracking

1281
00:58:26,359 --> 00:58:24,329
seagulls or the fact that the Princeton

1282
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:26,369
brought its radar down meant they were

1283
00:58:31,150 --> 00:58:28,680
getting ghost tracks you know no the

1284
00:58:34,009 --> 00:58:31,160
Crimson products radar down to make sure

1285
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:34,019
just cover all its bases that there was

1286
00:58:37,489 --> 00:58:34,890
nothing wrong with it

1287
00:58:38,779 --> 00:58:37,499
when they brought the radar back up they

1288
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:38,789
were seeing stuff even clearer than the

1289
00:58:45,799 --> 00:58:42,329
word before we were tracking it on radar

1290
00:58:48,289 --> 00:58:45,809
it was tracked passively through ESM

1291
00:58:49,249 --> 00:58:48,299
systems which is basically time set of

1292
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:49,259
headphones that listen to electronic

1293
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:52,140
signals the objects were emitting

1294
00:58:56,749 --> 00:58:54,839
electronic signals you know there's

1295
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:56,759
other stuff on that Hawkeye that was

1296
00:59:02,959 --> 00:58:58,380
giving other data that I can't talk

1297
00:59:06,529 --> 00:59:02,969
about it's unlikely that it was a

1298
00:59:10,249 --> 00:59:06,539
spoofing technology not to mention the

1299
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:10,259
eyewitnesses correct you know I

1300
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,150
understand and the technology nemesis

1301
00:59:18,759 --> 00:59:14,880
and what they're trying to do and how it

1302
00:59:23,299 --> 00:59:18,769
would affect many radars in use today

1303
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:23,309
but I don't think it would have been

1304
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:25,650
successful against the company

1305
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,960
of technology that we had mm-hmm okay

1306
00:59:36,249 --> 00:59:32,339
then last question is to tell us about

1307
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:36,259
this you ap expeditions that Kevin day

1308
00:59:43,339 --> 00:59:39,960
started up to track you aid you AP's

1309
00:59:47,059 --> 00:59:43,349
unidentified aerial phenomena basically

1310
00:59:50,539 --> 00:59:47,069
they've got a bunch of experts in

1311
00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:50,549
different fields and if all jumped on to

1312
00:59:56,059 --> 00:59:53,880
support the project believe later this

1313
00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:56,069
year not sure these that timeline I'll

1314
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,890
top my head they've got two ships that

1315
01:00:02,660 --> 01:00:00,420
they chartered one's gonna hang out off

1316
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,670
San Clemente Island the other is going

1317
01:00:07,069 --> 01:00:04,559
to go around and they're going out to

1318
01:00:12,259 --> 01:00:07,079
the operating areas that we were in when

1319
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,269
they saw all this stuff to try and find

1320
01:00:17,180 --> 01:00:15,119
them to try and learn things to try and

1321
01:00:19,870 --> 01:00:17,190
get a whole bunch of new data to support

1322
01:00:22,339 --> 01:00:19,880
everything we already know because

1323
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:22,349
there's been all kinds of reports

1324
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:24,690
non-military wise out in that area of

1325
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:27,529
the water off the coast of San Clemente

1326
01:00:32,479 --> 01:00:29,910
an island off of Mexico that they

1327
01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:32,489
covered in unidentified you know there's

1328
01:00:37,759 --> 01:00:33,960
a whole bunch of stuff in that area that

1329
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:37,769
kind of fits into everything we saw so

1330
01:00:45,229 --> 01:00:41,369
they're going about non-military reports

1331
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:45,239
yeah people seeing things similar to

1332
01:00:49,819 --> 01:00:47,220
what you guys say you saw yeah not a

1333
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:49,829
hundred percent identical because most

1334
01:00:54,259 --> 01:00:51,089
of them are from what I understand

1335
01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:54,269
seeing it much greater distances but

1336
01:01:00,440 --> 01:00:58,140
there's the group believes there

1337
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:00,450
something in that area that is either

1338
01:01:03,769 --> 01:01:02,130
contributing to all this or causing all

1339
01:01:06,620 --> 01:01:03,779
this and that's what they're going to

1340
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,630
find out and what sorry what's your role

1341
01:01:12,859 --> 01:01:09,180
gonna be in that right now I just take

1342
01:01:14,769 --> 01:01:12,869
care of social media stuff okay I'm not

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01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:14,779
the I'm not the brains of the operation

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01:01:22,819 --> 01:01:18,569
and are they planning a documentary on I

1345
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:22,829
don't know I know Dave babies loosely

1346
01:01:25,729 --> 01:01:24,450
involved I know there's gonna be

1347
01:01:28,099 --> 01:01:25,739
recording equipment I know there's gonna

1348
01:01:31,029 --> 01:01:28,109
be stuff out there I just don't know

1349
01:01:35,259 --> 01:01:31,039
what the exact plan with all that is and

1350
01:01:38,509 --> 01:01:35,269
what do you have to say about the

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01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:38,519
participation of whales in all this

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01:01:41,870 --> 01:01:39,210
because Kevin

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01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:41,880
and some of his pronouncements about

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01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:44,940
this project has talked about the

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01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,200
tracking of whales and whale songs and

1356
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:52,400
and and UFOs associated with whales

1357
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:55,980
there's I'm not entirely familiar with

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01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:56,970
that whole part of it

1359
01:02:01,880 --> 01:01:59,520
but like said I know they've got a

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01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:01,890
marine biologist that's gonna be part of

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01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:05,520
it and that's they're trying to explore

1362
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:06,930
a whole bunch of different avenues for

1363
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:13,550
that's not something you've done much

1364
01:02:21,620 --> 01:02:17,520
looking into know is Kevin someone who

1365
01:02:25,820 --> 01:02:21,630
tends to lean toward it being more 60%

1366
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:25,830
extraterrestrial probably further than

1367
01:02:31,579 --> 01:02:28,530
that and you know you'll have to talk to

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01:02:33,050 --> 01:02:31,589
Kevin specifically about it and I'll let

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01:02:36,260 --> 01:02:33,060
him know you guys aren't scary so maybe

1370
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:36,270
he'll come on OK but he's had a whole

1371
01:02:45,859 --> 01:02:41,520
bunch of different experiences since the

1372
01:02:48,339 --> 01:02:45,869
tic-tock event and he believes deeply

1373
01:02:50,839 --> 01:02:48,349
and I have no reason to doubt him that

1374
01:02:52,370 --> 01:02:50,849
his experience with those objects has

1375
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:52,380
caused a lot of different things in his

1376
01:02:59,240 --> 01:02:57,660
life hmm so he's got quite a story to

1377
01:03:01,790 --> 01:02:59,250
tell and it's okay it's been so

1378
01:03:06,250 --> 01:03:01,800
compelling that's caused him to start

1379
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:06,260
this this new expedition yeah and

1380
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:08,220
hopefully we're gonna have him on the

1381
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:09,450
show and we really appreciate your help

1382
01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:11,670
on that if we put in a good word for us

1383
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:14,520
but just to give us one quick example of

1384
01:03:25,579 --> 01:03:16,920
something that he says he experienced

1385
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:25,589
since I know he's had he's had like

1386
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:29,730
dreams and stuff he's got his outlook on

1387
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:31,770
life has changed to see the event

1388
01:03:36,349 --> 01:03:33,810
somehow he interprets stuff how he sees

1389
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:36,359
stuff he almost seems like he thinks

1390
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:39,650
he's connected to the object somehow

1391
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:42,330
again he's in a much better position to

1392
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,200
explain all that than I am yeah Wow okay

1393
01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:48,720
cool well PJ I think that was extremely

1394
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:51,420
helpful to our investigation we're I

1395
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:52,890
don't know how many

1396
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:54,090
so as we've done at this point eight to

1397
01:03:57,380 --> 01:03:55,650
ten episodes it all started with the

1398
01:03:59,960 --> 01:03:57,390
turbo but we've interviewed some very

1399
01:04:00,530 --> 01:03:59,970
instant folks including uh Paco Chia

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01:04:03,860 --> 01:04:00,540
Ricci

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01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:03,870
do you know Paco or of him yep I have

1402
01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:04,920
some issues with him

1403
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:09,960
yeah well we were able to get in contact

1404
01:04:15,830 --> 01:04:11,760
with him and a group of us spoke with

1405
01:04:19,610 --> 01:04:15,840
him and he doesn't want to hear any but

1406
01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:19,620
we have to say he basically regurgitates

1407
01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:21,870
what flavour has said and what the

1408
01:04:28,910 --> 01:04:23,940
unofficial official report has said and

1409
01:04:31,790 --> 01:04:28,920
even when you even when I personally

1410
01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:31,800
quoted his report that he supports that

1411
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:33,390
something happened he basically told me

1412
01:04:42,620 --> 01:04:39,290
I was wrong so he's stuck in flavors

1413
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:42,630
back pocket so to speak yeah that's the

1414
01:04:48,140 --> 01:04:45,690
way he that that was the mode he was in

1415
01:04:50,330 --> 01:04:48,150
when he was on our show and I'm kind of

1416
01:04:52,850 --> 01:04:50,340
with you I I see the two stories very

1417
01:04:55,070 --> 01:04:52,860
easily potentially coexisting and you've

1418
01:04:57,860 --> 01:04:55,080
kind of helped explain how it could be

1419
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,870
that flavor didn't have things taken

1420
01:05:02,000 --> 01:04:59,760
from him or wasn't interrogated and have

1421
01:05:02,750 --> 01:05:02,010
to sign NDA's whereas the Hong Kong

1422
01:05:05,810 --> 01:05:02,760
people

1423
01:05:08,690 --> 01:05:05,820
none of us discount any of favorite

1424
01:05:10,550 --> 01:05:08,700
story you know we believe everything he

1425
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:10,560
saw you know we wouldn't be here if he

1426
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:14,010
hadn't gone public it's the little part

1427
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:15,660
of his story where he says were wrong

1428
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:18,930
that we disagree with yeah well he

1429
01:05:26,450 --> 01:05:21,960
landed on well he would have landed on

1430
01:05:28,370 --> 01:05:26,460
the Nimitz obviously but merely because

1431
01:05:31,220 --> 01:05:28,380
he didn't encounter the two Air Force

1432
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:31,230
guys that you encountered or didn't have

1433
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:35,520
things taken from him or sign an NDA I

1434
01:05:41,210 --> 01:05:36,900
think you've given a pretty good

1435
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:41,220
explanation today as to why that could

1436
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:43,890
have been while it's very possible that

1437
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:46,050
the people in the Hawkeye did have to

1438
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:47,910
sign the NDA's and and you did have the

1439
01:05:57,410 --> 01:05:54,480
bricks taken yep and I firmly you know

1440
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:57,420
if the somebody from the government with

1441
01:06:02,510 --> 01:05:59,520
the right credentials showed up at my

1442
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:02,520
door tomorrow and told me I was not

1443
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:03,720
allowed to talk about any of this

1444
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:04,260
anymore

1445
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:06,570
you'd never hear from me it

1446
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:10,110
you know none of us are out to to share

1447
01:06:14,780 --> 01:06:12,930
any secrets none of us are out to you

1448
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:14,790
know badmouth the government none of us

1449
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:17,310
are out for any of that we're out to

1450
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:20,310
find out the truth about what we saw you

1451
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:23,940
know especially with Gary and I we have

1452
01:06:30,860 --> 01:06:26,250
to toe the line with some things we say

1453
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:30,870
because we know more than we can say but

1454
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:33,660
to be clear going back to Roger and the

1455
01:06:39,020 --> 01:06:35,610
other guys are actually on the Hawkeye

1456
01:06:42,260 --> 01:06:39,030
and personally observed it you don't

1457
01:06:47,330 --> 01:06:42,270
believe that they were told in any

1458
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:47,340
briefing what this was um I'd like to

1459
01:06:51,380 --> 01:06:49,650
think if Roger knew what it was he even

1460
01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:51,390
if he couldn't tell me he would have

1461
01:06:56,210 --> 01:06:54,440
hinted that he did and he's made no

1462
01:06:57,700 --> 01:06:56,220
indications that he knows what it is

1463
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:57,710
anymore than idea

1464
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:00,420
so they debrief them they weren't

1465
01:07:04,310 --> 01:07:02,130
briefing them they weren't given

1466
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:04,320
information they were they were

1467
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:07,170
supplying what they know knew and since

1468
01:07:13,460 --> 01:07:10,770
they had now firsthand sighting of this

1469
01:07:15,860 --> 01:07:13,470
thing which potentially was us

1470
01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:15,870
technology here's the US government

1471
01:07:21,530 --> 01:07:19,110
saying hey what you saw you're not

1472
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:21,540
allowed to talk about exactly thank you

1473
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:23,400
again - PJ Hughes for coming on the show

1474
01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:25,410
and telling us his story we will be back

1475
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:28,830
next week with another episode and we'll

1476
01:07:34,220 --> 01:07:31,710
have Kevin day with us he was on board

1477
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:34,230
the Princeton at the time of the

1478
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:37,260
incident and he tells he gives us

1479
01:07:42,740 --> 01:07:39,180
information that he's never told before

1480
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:42,750
including about how the captain of the

1481
01:07:48,190 --> 01:07:44,910
Princeton seem to be very disinterested

1482
01:07:51,590 --> 01:07:48,200
in the whole tick-tack UFO incident a

1483
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:51,600
lot can be read into that so tune in

1484
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:54,210
next week for Kevin day as we continue

1485
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:55,920
our deep dive thank you all for

1486
01:08:00,100 --> 01:07:57,510
listening and think it was always to our

1487
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:00,110
producer Michael Parker

1488
01:08:07,690 --> 01:08:06,039
thank you for listening at the hidden

1489
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:07,700
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1490
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:09,650
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1491
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:13,280
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1492
01:08:18,220 --> 01:08:16,000
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1493
01:08:21,099 --> 01:08:18,230
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1494
01:08:23,050 --> 01:08:21,109
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